Hi, China leads the world on so many fronts now,— the largest power grid,( 3000km over a million volts Dc , 20 GW . For scale , 20 GW is equal to 33 600 MW nuclear plants, .(33!) One nuke location makes30% of california's power (!) and they want to shut it.
That DC grid has set records., no one helped them from the West . In case you think we have “ secrets”
if you are an engineer the reaction is utter awe over that grid Wind energy in Mongolia stored in pumped Hydro powering Beijing 1000’s of miles away . Our largest DC link is about 3 GW .
dams also , the largest there are each 20 + GW , 6-7x our largest ,24 - 600 MW turbines in each dam, , each turbine 600MW of 24 equal to a nuke , no pollution . All work. Hoover and Grand Coulee would both fit inside one of these dams . and 3-4 of them (!) now all working , all new. pumped hydro ( just finishing up 50 of them at 15 B $ each to integrate solar and wind correctly ) we can’t get a permit here for pumped hydro due to damn parasitic lawyers powered by NIMBY . 40 years time to get one.. So we now import LNG to make electricity in the Northeast , like 50% of it comes from LNG from middle east ( our $ going there)Gas turbine is cheap junk wastes 50% of gas btu into air , So raise electric rate … will be 60 cents a kw/hr .2-3 cents in Canada ?
we have had 2-3 pumped hydro in process for 40 years, will be all Chinese equipment inside if ever started . No one in US can make it . They have 10,000 km of 200 mph trains now , all work fine . we cant get from dallas to fort worth . we cannot make a TV set here . All new Boston subway trains came from China ,100’s of them
We won WW 2 with industrial might nothing else . Based off Auto, steel, aluminum industry . That is gone . Try and find a machine shop or a machinist , let alone a plane a day like at Willow run . No one gets this.No one Frustrates the hell out of me, that last sentence
I think they can make a cast iron wheel cylinder ok , don't you ?
I despair about how clueless our government is . And the attitude we make better stuff. We are not what what we were . Example ? Boring 737 crashes kill 600 , due to incompetence , door falls off , space capsuke cant come back safely etc etc 80 M $ Fighter rolls off carrier deck into ocean
They watch too many John Wayne movies, — no engineers in congress. Big beautiful gas bubble , where brain should be Hope is all we have … john On May 29, 2025, at 10:19 AM, 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While I was the head of technology for a ship management company that ran most of the US flag vessels that run the pacific…we had ships in the yards in China. We could get great work out of them, but we had
to spend a lot of time on oversight to get it.
The governing philosophy there is not quality it is throughput.
With US companies I suspect that their Q&A systems for widget parts are not up to the task.
I had dinner a few years back with a man who was in the rebuilding business of car parts like fuel pumps, power steering pumps and alternators. He told me that they expected that 20% of the parts would be
fail when sold. But that shipping the containers to China for rebuilding even including the transportations costs still made it economically more viable than doing it here. He said they did not mind it when people brought the parts back as he was not having
to eat, the labor charges for the swap!
James
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Henry-
The China as inferior thing makes no sense to me. We once said that about Japanese goods now they are considered premium. China is the factory floor
for the world who let it happen right, wrong or indifferent. Metric, yes but in many cases made in China wheel and master cylinders are all that is available. I've yet to be presented with a widget made in China demonstrated to be inferior to its alternative.
But I too am often wrong.
Does anyone have negative experience with a Chinese made automotive part?
danny Plotkin
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Has anyone who has had their wheel cylinders sleeved, whether it is brass or stainless steel, seen any corrosive reaction (like a stuck piston) between the aluminum piston and the sleeve? Wouldn’t
there be a potential for galvanic corrosion between those dissimilar metals? Drawing experience from the plumbing world, copper water pipe (almost brass) and steel pipe must be isolated or massive corrosion occurs.
Did anyone who has had their wheel cylinders sleeved use a piston other than aluminum?
By the way….i could be wrong, often am, but I recall I read in a previous listserver discussion about brake fluid that Whitepost won’t warranty their work if
you use brake fluid with silicone (DOT 5 or DOT 5.1).
I am fighting a brake problem: the brakes really stop the car well but the car wants to toggle left-right-left-right when I brake hard. I have about 1500-2000
miles on the new brake system. I know the wheel cylinders are inferior so I’m contemplating sleeving the wheel cylinders. I bought Raybestos thinking they were American-made but when I opened the box, the wheel cylinders had CHINA cast into them. To add insult
to injury, the rear wheel cylinder bleeders are Metric. I gave up trying to buy superior wheel cylinders.
Henry Mitchell
300C
I make all those issues go away with sleeved wheel cylinders. I used to use Joe at Sierra who did all my Desoto’s in brass. Since he retired, I have not done any of them,
but Whitepost does them in Stainless I think.
Joe thought brass was better as he explained to me that stainless requires a special hone or you get micro burs which can wear the seals, brass micro burs are soft enough
the seal “laps” them down.
To me a material that is impervious to the standing water junk is the real solution to this issue. Then the fluid, not matter what, will not affect them.
I also think the new replacement cast is not the greatest so “new” ones will not always be the greatest. Old housings sleeved is very good solution.
James
it seems several here ignore absolute fact that divot forms in bottom of wheel cylinder with glycol in long storage . I will ask all those
in club who have seen the rust divots to say hello ? why you had to buy new ones …
Ron this exact failure happened in 5-6 mopars I owned . You know I have about 40 over its been 60 years now
I would not drive your cars 200 feet unless you want to end in someones trunk in a panic stop ( and total your car)
Sorry Dan. But let’s just agree to disagree. As I said, feel free to do whatever works for you.
Ron
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Ron-
I don't intend to debate you, however you are wrong, and being wrong about brakes can be deadly.
As to DOT 5, there is no "issue" with aeration in as you write, and I'm afraid folks reading here may be led astray.
DOT aeration results from mishandling the bottle before a pour or incomplete or faulty bleeding, end of story. There are far too many of us using DOT 5 for over 25 years to abide by your claim.
You may wish to avoid spending your money on an inexpensive wheel cylinders but I don't think it is wise to instruct others to do so.
I've said my piece. Do as you please.
Danny Plotkin
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Danny –
As I stated, whenever a wheel cylinder is replaced, the entire system should be flushed. There is no need to replace every wheel cylinder because
one is defective.
The idea of ‘water laced’ brake fluid is a misnomer. Moisture gets into the lines. That moisture will either be absorbed by the fluid (DOT 3 or 4)
or remain between the fluid and the inner wall (DOT 5) or gather at the connection (also DOT 5). Flushing out the fluid every few years is how it should be done. I stick with DOT 3 or 4, since I don’t want to deal with a soft pedal as a result of aeration
of the fluid, which is an issue with DOT 5. But feel free to do whatever works best for you.
Ron
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Ron-
The Ain't broke don't fix it maxim should not apply to hydraulic brakes, one of the few automotive systems whose condition is completely concealed
and for which a driver is oblivious until its too late. The risk is exponentially increased by a single circuit system which provides no advance notice of the impending doom ahead.
Its all one system. water laced DOT 3 in one cylinder is in all cylinders including the master cylinder. Never look to save money on brakes.
Danny Plotkin
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Kurt –
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Just replace the leaking cylinder. Also, DOT 3 is indeed hygroscopic. That’s a good thing. Leave it as DOT 3, unless
you are planning to replace the *entire* brake system. You’ll be doing a flush when you replace this leaking cylinder. Going forward, just change your fluid every three or four years and
you’ll be fine.
Ron
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I could use some advice on whether I should replace all four wheel cylinders or just the cylinder that is leaking? Full disclosure this is
for my ‘64 Imperial Crown Coupe, not a letter car, but figured the advice would also be beneficial to letter car owners as well.
I discovered the driver side rear is leaking and set out to replace ALL the wheel cylinders as a “preventive measure.” When I checked the condition
of the other three cylinders, they all appear fine but I suspect they’re old - “Wagner Lockheed - Made in USA” is stamped on the housing and we all know how few automotive parts are made domestically these days.
Question: should I “leave well enough alone” or is there some benefit to replacing all four at once besides knowing they’re new?
I suspect hygroscopic DOT 3 brake fluid was previously used and the car sat for the better part of 20 years…some clumpy viscous residue in the
bottom of the master cylinder. I was thinking replacing all four wheel cylinders would aid in a brake fresh and upgrade to DOT 5.
I appreciate the feedback and help.
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