Dick,
Your story reminds me of when I wanted to go to the Niagara Drags and run
my 1937 Plymouth 4 door Sedan (my first car) with the original 6 cylinder
in it. This was in 1965 and my friend and I were going over the 2nd Grand
Island bridge when we seen 2 girls pushing a Moped or something like it up
the bridge because it would not haul them both up the grade. Well we
laughed and went on over the top just to find my engine died and we coasted
to a halt off the highway. We waited about an hour before any one came and
a trooper came and radioed a wrecker to come and get us. That finally came
and he lifted up my car with one of those belt lift things and broke my
front bumper off before we got to his garage. He had a license to get folks
off the thru way, but could not figure out my cars problem. He finally
closed for the day and left us setting there. I had tried to phone my
folks, but they had gone away for the day and none of my relations were home
either. Finally I got ahold of my Dad and he said "must be the condenser,
I come up and get you". When he got there 2 hours later--nearly 9 PM, he
had me roll it over and said the same thing--condenser. He drove down the
road and found an older man running a garage and the man told my Dad to pull
the car down and he'd fix it. We did and the first thing he did was pull
out the distributor and pulled the wire to the condenser out of the
condenser where it had broken. He had a condenser and put the new one in
and it started right up and off to Bradford we went. The bad thing about
this whole thing is that the older man couldn't get a permit to tow or fix
vehicles on the thru way and he could fix my car.
This was my only time I had tried to go racing my car on a drag strip.
Although I did try to beat a guy in an Isetta with my 1941 Plymouth Business
Coupe (my second car--had both while in school) after school one day on a
short city street. Lost to him.
Well I rambled on maybe to much,
Jack in Shinglehouse, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Whelan" <rwhelansr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] The Testies......
Been following this discussion with a little interest and much amusement.
I wasn,t old enough to race the 56-58 Mopars when new, and my first
attempt at racing my 58 Fury in the early 60's ended 20 miles short of
reaching Niagara Airport Dragstrip with a blown motor while attempting to
bury the 150 MPH speedometer. Did hit an indicated 125 on old route 31
before it let loose.
Later on I raced a new 69 Barracuda 318 4 speed with 3:91 8 3/4
rear in NHRA L Stock very successfully. With headers, Mallory, cheater
slicks, cool can etc. All legal at the time, + a 340 4speed cam which
wasn't it consistently turned low 16 second times and broke into the
15.90's on occasion. That little 2 barrel carb could only be tweaked so
much. Ate 390 Fairlanes and Comet Cyclones for lunch. But never beat the
57 Chevy wagon with 270 horse duce quad 283 but he was cheating way more
than me anyway! O.K. not Forwardlook related, but I am enjoying your bench
racing and hope you don't mind my reminicing. Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "eastern sierra Adj Services" <esierraadj@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:27 AM
Subject: [FWDLK] The Testies......
Well, so far we've had:
stories and claims & counter-claims
a 15.45 C Gas (modified) quarter mile time-
posting, for a 1956 D500-1 drag race car
1956 & 1957 Speed Week trials results, for the Flying Mile, and Standing
Mile (on hard beach sand)
magazine road tests of similar, but less powerful cars (1956 & 1957)
a computer program for scientific-wild-ass- guessing 1/4 mile times
(dependent upon variable (un-)scientific and/or (in-)accurate inputs )
G Force scientific performance recording system ( very accurate, but
reflecting a car's modifications from OEM, or, from car-to-car)
In regards to the above computer progarm for estimating 1/4 mile time,
a primary criteria for any scientific study is for the case results to
be repeatable, or for additional test results to be predictable.
Accordingly, I believe that PUBLISHED 1/4 mile acceleration results
should be able to be used to test the computer's accuracy, in
predicting another car's 1/4 mile time, in relation to the inputting of
certain actual real-world data into the computer program.
Motor Trend, Hot Rod, and Sports Cars Illustrated were good enough to
weigh their test cars, so, their real-world car data should be inputed
to the computer program, to see how well the program would predict the
real-world test results that the magazines recorded.
I'm not gonna input these test cars' data, or, mention the 1/4 mile
times that were recorded, just to see what results you confuser-wizards
might come up with, via that computer program.
Of course, you could go look up the magazine results, but, that would be
'cheating'.
So, the 1956 CRL 2-dr HT D500 with 260 "advertised" horspower, but 132
dynamometer-recorded rear wheel HP, weighed 3880 lbs, and had 28"
diameter tires (I called-around, today, and confirmed that the 1956
7.60x15" tires had virtually the same o.a. height as the 8.50x14" 1957
tires) . It had a 2-speed PowerFlite, with 2.5 Low and 1.3 Second gears,
and 3.73:1 open rear end.
A 1957 Custom Royal 4-dr sedan had 285 "advertised" HP, but 140 rear
wheel HP, and weighed 4530 lbs. and 28" tires, with the TorqueFlite
having 2.45, 1.45 & 1.00 x converter ratio; 3.36:1 open rear end.
A 1957 Coronet 2-dr HT D500 S.C.I. weighed at 3920 lbs, but, its rear
wheel HP was not dyno'ed (say: 150-160, due to the car's lighter
weight) but the same trannie, rear end, and tires. You can also input
the 140HP that Motor Trend recorded if you like, because we KNOW what
e.t. S.C.I. actually recorded, for this car!
If realistic 1/4 mile predictions can come out of the computer program,
based upon the above data, and/or from more car-test-data, which is
available, we might be closer to solving the problem of calculating a
car's performance capability!
Neil Vedder
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