Thanks Dave...I'd LOVE to come to Texas sometime. All these emails from
everyone are a big help to me. I will use all this info when I get ready
to do the swap this winter.
Dave Casey wrote:
>
> The bellhousing I used is a later one for an 11" clutch and has the 4.8
> or
> 4.9 opening. I just turned down the bearing retainer myself on my
> brother's
> brake lathe.
> I'm using an oversized clutch (12"?) listed for truck applications, but
> it
> fits the bellhousing and flywheel just fine.
> I haven't sacrificed any performance. I have abuot the best of both
> worlds
> without splurging for a 5-speed.
> Speed shifting won't hurt anything, but I wouldn't expect it to hold up
> to
> powershifts (not many transmissions will).
> My transmission, with new synchros, does not make the 1-2 as quick as a
> closer ratio (non-OD) 4-speed can, but it still goes reasonably quick.
> The
> 2-3 and 3-4 speed shifts are no problem. It will even do 2-4 faster
> than
>
>
> 1-2.
> You're welcome to come down to Texas and I'll show you what I mean.
>
> Dave Casey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:08 AM
> Subject: RE: A833 OD questions
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the info Dave, that's a help. I've been emailing with Dan
> > from Brewer's, too. So, from what you're saying, there's NO banging
> > 1-2?
> > The early bellhousings have a 4.3" opening, while the later ones are
> > 4.8". The OD retainer is 5.2", but Dan says you can machine the
> > retainer
> > and the bellhousing. If you have the original bell in your Polara,
> > according to Dan, it should be 4.3". From what you're saying, it
> > sounds
> > like you're trading performance for better highway cruising...now I'm
> > not sure I want to do that. Mine will be behind a 426 about
> > 425hp...think the OD can handle it Dave? I DO plan on slamming gears.
> > Thanks
> > Dave Casey wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been out of town, otherwise I'd have chimed in sooner.
> >> I have an 833 OD in my '65 Polara (C-body, but uses the same trans
> >> as
> >> B-bodies).
> >> I used the truck/van version of the OD.
> >> Fourth gear is something like 0.74:1.
> >> I solved the bearing retainer problem pretty easily.
> >> I removed the retainer from the trans and chucked it up on a brake
> >> lathe. I
> >> then turned down the outside diameter until it fit my bellhousing.
> >> There's
> >> plenty of meat on the retainer so have no fear (but at least look at
> >> what
> >> you're doing, because you might have a smaller bellhousing than I).
> >> I pieced together the shifter linkage and had to make some
> >> adjustments
> >> to my
> >> handle because I had the wrong shifter mounting pad, but it works
> >> great
> >> now.
> >> I've had it behind my 413 for three years now with no problems. It
> >> has
> >> seen
> >> plenty of highway cruising in overdrive in that time. It has also
> >> held
> >> up to
> >> being driven hard in a 5000 lb car, but I don't dare powershift it.
> >> I'm running a 3.23 in the back with 255/60R15 tires. First gear is
> >> pretty
> >> low, so you'll probably prefer to take off in 2nd with your 3.91.
> >> Also, the gap between 1st and 2nd is pretty wide, so the shifting
> >> isn't
> >> as
> >> fast as you'd like it to be since you have to wait for the input to
> >> spin
> >>
> >> down or double clutch. Shifting 2-3-4, or even 2-4 can be done
> >> pretty
> >> fast.
> >> Second gear is my favorite because my engine raps out at about 70mph
> >> in
> >> second (cast pistons, don't turn it past 5000). If you're spinning
> >> to
> >> 6k,
> >> then first gear might be a little more useful and second will be a
> >> blast.
> >>
> >> Dave Casey
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:20 AM
> >> Subject: RE: A833 OD questions
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Doug, I was hungry! I picked up the tranny and had the car
> >> > on
> >> > the
> >> > rack to compare...the tailhouses are the same length, but the
> >> > trans
> >> > mount is in a different location, but I can fab that ok, I think.
> >> > The
> >> > shifter mount pad seems to be in the same location on both. The OD
> >> > has
> >> > a
> >> > bracket to raise the shifter up higher, but I can work around
> >> > that,
> >> > too.
> >> > The other issue you pointed out is the size of the bearing
> >> > retainer.
> >> > The
> >> > OD retainer is 5.25", but I don't know the size of the standard
> >> > 833..anybody have that measurement? I'm not ready to pull the
> >> > trans to
> >> > measure it.
> >> > Doug Ahern wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 30 07/13/07, ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> >> > Sounds like more trouble than it's worth...then again, almost
> >> >> > 3k rpm
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > 60 sure rattles your teeth in a 40+ year old car. Guess I'll
> >> >> > keep
> >> >> > looking. Thanks for the info Doug....can I have my fruit cup
> >> >> > now?
> >> >>
> >> >> its un-nerving for us now because we are accustomed to 70mph @
> >> >> 2400rpm,
> >> >> but in the 1960s, speed limits were just as high and people
> >> >> drove up
> >> >> and down interstates @ 65-75mph with 3.23:1 and 2.93:1 gears and
> >> >> short
> >> >> little tires on 14" wheels.,, so 3500rpm @ 70mph was normal then.
> >> >> the car nor the engine actually mind it, but we think its too
> >> >> high....
> >> >>
> >> >> sure.., it friday.. you eat your fruit cup now.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jeff Adams
> >> > 64 Polara
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----
> >> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one
> >> > person --
> >> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> >> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the
> >> > intended
> >> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will
> >> > protect
> >> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the
> >> > content
> >> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> >> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Adams
> > 64 Polara
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person --
> > directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and
> > negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended
> > recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will
> > protect
> > your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the
> > content
> > signal to Mopar topic. Thanks!
> >
> > '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines:
> > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.
> >
> >
> >
>
Jeff Adams
64 Polara
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