“would, commencing on January 1, 2027, additionally fully exempt from the smog check
requirement, requirements, both biennially and at transfer, if the
a motor vehicle that is at least 35 model years old.
old, has been assigned a special identification plate indicating that it is a historical vehicle, and is insured as a collector motor vehicle”
The California Historical Vehicle White Plate Program as well as all collector car insurance specifically state you may not use the car for daily transportation
and only to special events not to exceed a small number of miles a years typically less than 3500.
See my previous email on the comments of Senator Shannon Grove, who is the principal author of the bill. She has made it clear that the purpose of this bill
is to restrict the use and not allow the cars to be driven daily.
Now it may be you could tell them to go to hell and they would require a smog check every 2 years. But as Steve pointed out they do not have the knowledge
or infrastructure to do that on the pre-computerized cars. So they are creating a requirement that will create a bureaucratic and implementation mess.
James
From: Nick
Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2025 12:55
To: James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler 300 Club <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} CA Senate Bill 712.
The first line of the code, which hasn't changed, states:
44011.
(a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion engines that are registered within an area designated for program coverage shall
be required biennially to obtain a certificate of compliance or noncompliance, except for the following:
It only restricts them if they want to be exempted from smog testing. They already have the gross polluter standards that keep other vehicles off the road.
The legislative summary as of May 28th, 2025 states:
SB 712, as amended, Grove. Smog check: collector motor vehicles: exemption.
Existing law establishes a motor vehicle inspection and maintenance (smog check) program that is administered by the Department of Consumer Affairs. The smog check program requires
inspection of motor vehicles upon initial registration, biennially upon renewal of registration, upon transfer of ownership, and in certain other circumstances. Existing law exempts specified vehicles from being inspected biennially upon renewal of registration,
including, among others, all motor vehicles manufactured prior to the 1976 model year. Existing law also exempts from specified portions of the smog test, both biennially and at transfer, a collector motor vehicle that is insured as a collector motor vehicle,
is at least 35 model years old, complies with the exhaust emissions standards for that motor vehicle’s class and model year as prescribed by the department, and that passes a functional inspection of the fuel cap and a visual inspection for liquid fuel leaks.
This bill would delete the above partial smog check exemption for collector motor vehicles from existing law. Instead, the bill
would fully exempt a collector motor vehicle would, commencing on January 1, 2027, additionally fully exempt from the smog check
requirement, requirements, both biennially and at transfer, if the
a motor vehicle that is at least 35 model years old.
old, has been assigned a special identification plate indicating that it is a historical vehicle, and is insured as a collector motor vehicle. The bill would be known, and may be cited as, Leno’s Law.
I don't see anywhere that they will not allow owners to drive older cars as they do now.
On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 12:37 PM James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
This was generated by AI when I asked if it could clarify this: It may be correct or not:
“The latest version of California Senate Bill 712, also known as "Leno's Law," includes provisions that restrict the use
of collector vehicles that are 35 years old and older. Specifically, these vehicles must be registered with historic vehicle plates and insured as collector cars, which means they cannot be used as "daily drivers." This amendment aims to ensure that these
classic cars are primarily used for special occasions, car shows, or other limited purposes rather than for regular commuting.
Senator Shannon Grove, who is the principal author of the bill, has emphasized that the intent of this legislation is
to preserve California's automotive heritage while also addressing environmental concerns. By requiring historic vehicle plates and collector car insurance, the bill aims to limit the use of these older vehicles in everyday traffic, thereby reducing their
potential impact on air quality.
This approach has sparked discussions among lawmakers and the public about the balance between preserving classic car
culture and addressing pollution and health effects associated with older vehicles. While some senators support the bill for its cultural significance, others express concerns about the environmental implications of allowing more older cars on the road, even
if they are not used daily.”
…James
It states the problem is with 1976-1990 vehicles.
I agree that the text of the bill should be clearer to state vehicles from model year 1976 up to those 35 years old have
the new requirements.
Per Blixt is a member of the club and works for Jay Leno.
Driving any car adds to pollution but time and again, studies show that classic cars are such a small contributor that
resources would be better spent on other areas that have a bigger impact. But we all know that if someone doesn't care about old cars, it's an easy thing to point at as a problem. I'm sure Jay Leno has several 1976 and newer vehicles he'd like to exempt, especially
exotics. I didn't pay much attention to his license plates when we visited his place. I have friend's with large car collections that they drive and they just swap plates around on cars.
On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 12:21 PM
James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have read over the bill three times, and my reading is that ALL the classic cars from 35 years back will have a choice.
Get white historic vehicle plates with the restrictions on use and have classic car insurance which also mandates the car to always be in a garage every single night or get it smoged.
Who the hack is going to smog the pre-1968 cars for which there is not data on engine pollutants?
The head of the Senate Committee stated her intend was to stop classic cars from being used a daily drivers as they add
to pollution and health issues…of course without any evidence to back it up.
James
I don't see how the bill affects you either way. Unless they're going to start smog testing 1964 cars. The wording still
states that these vehicles are exempt without the additional conditions:
(3) All motor vehicles manufactured prior to the 1976 model-year.
model year.
The section covering the ones that require classic insurance and limited driving are the ones between 1976 and 35 years
old. That's going to affect a lot of my friends who drive malaise era cars but they will just be stuck with what they have now, not anything additional.
I was hoping that my 1978 Dodge motorhome was going to get exempted but it won't.
Let me know if I have it wrong.
I just read the changes in CA Senate Bill 712. No good if you drive your classic car daily.
In my case, I only drive classic cars. It took years to get a classic car insurance company to insure my 1949 Desoto Convertible
as I do not own, nor have the garage space in San Francisco, for a modern car. They took my word that we use MUNI here in San Francisco to go to work and do a lot of our daily transportation needs.
The bill looks like it is going to push all classic car owners into having to have a special registration that limits
the car use. It would also be mandated that it MUST be on classic car insurance. You cannot and will not be able to drive a classic car to work or to school or daily.
I am hoping that I am reading the changes incorrectly. But I do not think so.
We have spent thousands of dollars in the last 24 months to rebuild the 300K both for our daily use in retirement and
for our travels. I only have so much car space and now I will have to sell a car and go buy a new one to be able to place all my cars under classic car insurance.
Jay stuck a stick into the hornets’ nest, and I fear this will not be good for many people. Pure collectors who want to
have post-1976 cars will be happy, pre-1976 folks who like to use there cars daily will not.
I really hope I am not reading this bill’s changes correctly.
James
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