RE: [Chrysler300] wanted pw motor assembly for 1962 chrysler

["John Holst jholst@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Merle Wolfer made a page describing the repair of PW boxes
that is shown here:

http://www.chrysler300clubinc.com/6064window-2.pdf

States that this works for 60-64. Should be similar for earlier years
possible. Good pictures and description. JH...

At 01:30 PM 12/12/2016, you wrote:
>   
>
> We made the aluminum bronze gears here , Fern, (CNC mill, time consuming,
> one tooth at a time, blank is cut from big bar.) as I had this problem
> with many F ----and found other used gears from other cars , which then
> broke too. As the nylon ages in oil, I think it becomes brittle. You will
> not find a â??new oneâ???only one from another car, may be worse than
> yours and a lot of work to change that. I did find a few nylon gears
> loose in Mopar boxes way back, so problem goes way back ,and they
> apparently tore down to that level in dealerships, given the available
> service part. . All that being said, the system must not be binding.. it
> should go up and down at about same speed everywhere ..check all the
> obvious stuff tracks etc alignment. If it jams it (can) snaps gears. If
> you hold button down. 
>
> If spinning and trying to lift, almost for sure it is a broken nylon main
> gear inside box. Especially if it keeps spinning but window not moving,
> or going bump bump bump . 
>
> I think Jamie Hyde posted something elaborate on the club site about
> rebuilding the box with our gears,?he had a lot of pictures, worth
> 10,0000 words here. Look for that or contact him, or Bob Merritt may know
> The motors and gear boxes may differ we hear that some have non removable
> covers over the gears?or something. Never have seen one. Possibly post
> 61. The one we work with is the same as Jamieâ??s and seems most common--
> used for all 60 -61, later too . .. for sure 60-61 maybe before and
> after.---why ad says â??we need to see your old gearboxâ?? . I think
> three, about 8 or 10 / 32 screws hold gear cover on. Also the motors are
> not the gearbox..two items joined together by rubber coupling, so do not
> know about interpreting part numbers. And lift assy. Might be literally
> motors . there were many motors--- the longer ones are more powerful, may
> have been used in back (more of a fight) . Long ones might not fit
> everywhere. later motors ? 63-64 seem to fit; late ones are often coated
> in black rubber like stuff ---or may be service motors. I do not know
> this stuff re : numbers at all, just what we see. To try motor solidly
> ground frame of it to ? battery , put + on one wire it goes up, other
> wire it goes down .Do not put 12v on the two wires!!!! Burns up field.
> Much later say 65 up might be different wiring. 
>
> You can remove door panel and look ; or find one to rebuild .We may have
> a gearbox here we can rebuild for you and sell it to you , w a motor..we
> can try motor but do not know 100% about that unless rebuilt too. ( we do
> not generally do that?and yours sounds ok too) But usually if they spin,,
> on test , as yours does and ours too, they are ok. Big issue is water
> getting in. Rust at bottom seam of motor case indicates problem .Drop of
> oil (only one drop at top and into .060 hole you drill in bottom center
> helps. ?.too much oil ruins brushes. 
>
> I will ask Keith to get back to you on a unit that ought to fit 62, and
> cost, but most likely came from a 60-61. With new gear in it. If with
> panel off you get a picture, good. Check Jamie pictures too..Yours will
> most likely be the same part. Sometimes the output pinion wears in the
> case..we have to fix that with an added bushing in machine shop
> too.
>
> You can proceed several ways, including fixing yours. If cover comes off.
> Turnaround less than week typically. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> From: Fern Rivard
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> mailto:crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: John Grady
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] wanted pw motor assembly for 1962
> chrysler
> Importance: High
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> Hi John: When I try to roll the window back up, it makes a racket like
> something is slipping so to get it to go back up I have to manually help
> it. I have not removed the door panel yet as I want to get a complete
> good working unit before I take it apart. Now to complicate things, in
> 1962 they used two different manufacturers of power window motors with
> one type on say the drivers side and a different brand on the passenger
> side.
>
> I was told by a club member that they used the same motors from at least
> 1960 to 1962 and that 1963 and 1964 would also work.
>
> Who is the supplier of these repro nylon gears?
>
> Fern
>
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> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:26 AM
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> To: 'Fern Rivard'
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> Cc:
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> mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; 'Keith Simons'
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> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] wanted pw motor assembly for 1962
> chrysler
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> Is it the gear that is stripped or a bad motor? The nylon gears are
> trouble. It splits at bottom of a nylon tooth, then free wheels around
> steel hub. We can rebuild 60-61 for sure, 62 probably same, with bronze
> gear. The motor fails because rain water enters the bearing at the top ,
> on the one with the motor top shaft up. ?because that rain shield (black
> â???umbrellaâ?? cup) that throws off the water gets hard and then shrinks
> loose on shaft. Or is missing. I think Jamie Hyde found that valve guide
> seals fix that, or glue old one to shaft with 360 weatherstrip cement
> ---but motor may be already wrecked..Either thing will happen again, (if
> not already happened ) on a replacement one from another car. . Heads up.
>
> I have taken to drilling .060 hole in center of bottom of lower bearing
> assembly ( can do without taking apart) lets you put a drop of oil in on
> bench but more important if water gets in it will leak out. It turns into
> a big ball of rust in there otherwise as the water puddles up in the
> bottom cover . Rusts badly, seizes brushes and shaft will not turn.
> Corrodes that circuit breaker/overload contact too. Trying to fix that
> issue almost always pops out the bronze ball held by spring fingers and
> riveted plate..pretty much done for then. 
>
> If working on car generally, check that little cup if loose or not sealed
> put a band of weatherstrip adhesive or rtv there ; water loves little
> gaps or crevices it goes right through cup along shaft , through top
> bearing space and inside. .
>
> Be very careful taking apart..that spring can get you bad. Almost got me
> first time , when you pull off gearbox, it will snap REALLY hard.. Drill
> quarter inch hole and bolt it steady , or if insurance paid up, vise
> grips 
>
> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Fern Rivard'
> crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 9:30 PM
> To: Chrysler 300 List
> Subject: [Chrysler300] wanted pw motor assembly for 1962
> chrysler
>
> Does anyone on the list have a good working power window motor c/w
> transmission to fit the passenger front door of a 1962 chrysler? What
> other years or model cars used the identical unit? Shipping would be to
> zip 83826 in Idaho.
>
> Thanks from Fern in cold and snowy Cranbrook SE BC and Wishing You All
> the Very Best for the Holiday Season.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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