[Chrysler300] Sway Bars on early 300s, C through to G (F, H, J and K, too)?

["christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Before going the changing/adding sway bars route, and mindful of putting 
better shocks on these torsion bar 300s - has anyone come up with other 
solutions - namely say getting rear leaf springs 'remanufactured', processed 
by reputable spring maker?  Or is the 300C and possible later year 
frame/chassis, to weak 'torsionly', twisting wise, to gain much benefit?
I belive that Wayne G's 300C that was built to be raced had the rear frame 
cross rail boxed, as well as car was built on convert xmember chassis - 
is/was this an admission that stock 300C frames could have been 
better/stronger, re getting better cornering?  Old racers I think say the 
rear spring rates are more crucial than fronts re getting a car to corner 
better/well?  Any comment re this?

This question comes about from lately regularly driving my 57 Thundebird one 
day about the next to one of my 300Cs - and seeing the difference re the old 
Bird to which agews ago I fitted much stronger than stock frontsprings and 
shocks, yet the sway batr is still puny.  The car corners like a race car  
(for a non sports, race car - you can drive into corners way too fast, bury 
the nose into the bitumen, and 'pull/throw' (TBird manual steering is no 
joy) the wheel hard, and stick the boot into the throttle (no mega hemi 
power here either). And just go round corners like faster than modern lghter 
cars, never mind 300s.
If you did the same in a 300C, the rear of the car would be totally gone, or 
else a bad case of windscreen wiper actions?.

Now the '55-57 TBirds had a massively overstrong x braced in centre frame - 
near zero twist, so however the question/thought is? - normally sway bars 
are there to help basic flaws, that a good frame and stiff springs negate 
the need for much re sway bars - my '67 last series coil over shock beefier 
frame than early Cobras Cobra (that's a mouth full) had no rear sway bar, 
and from memory no front sway bar, and it was the safest fastest car round 
corners, never mind every 10 mph faster you went over 100mph, it seemed 10 
mph slower!!

I want my 300Cs to drive like my (puny) TBird does round corners - anyone 
had any success with say uprating rear springs by maybe 50% re deflection 
per lbs rating - or is the stock frame under coupes too weak/twisty, and 
sway bars the best/only solution?

christopher in Oz, Febraury now nearly gone over here, don't know about over 
there?




>From: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re: Sway Bar on 300G (F, H, J and K, too)
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:10:41 -0800 (PST)
>
>Kenny & Group -
>
>   For his aftermarket high-perfomance sway bar, John Carlson at Saner 
>still uses the original angle brackets (two per car) that each attach with 
>three bolts to the frame.  He makes the link to his own design (the part I 
>believe which has has bent in your case), as the stock item would not 
>accomodate the much thicker bar that he provides.
>
>   For your issue of locating a replacement link, I can speak as far as the 
>1963 & 1964 Chryslers - I believe the cars that originally came equipped 
>with the front bar include all Town & Country wagons, cars with the 
>heavy-duty suspension option (i.e., ram inducted cars) and the New Yorker 
>Salon models.  No cars came with a rear bar.  Saner's rear bar involves 
>drilling four holes (two each side) for the anchor points, and uses U-bolts 
>for attachment to the axle.
>
>   From my experience, the combination of Saner's front & rear sway bars, 
>KYB shocks and 235/70-15 radials (now difficult to find in a 1" whitewall), 
>transforms the handling of these cars.  I think John Hertog can comment 
>further on the addition of a "Firm-Feel" steering box rebuild.
>
>   Regards,
>   John Spiers
>
>
>Kenny Cassady <kennycassady@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>           Thank you John for the info and advice on John Carlson at Saner 
>for the sway
>bar brackets. I have since tried to bend mine back into place, only to
>discover that is has been previously bent, broken and repaired at least
>once, so it's a goner.
>
>I've recently been told that this sway bar bracket was used on all B and C
>body Mopars 1960 through 64 and Imperials 1960-66, therefore should be
>plentiful on parts cars. Can anybody confirm this? Does anybody have one
>they'd be willing to "part" with? (pun intended)
>
>If I can't find one from a parts car, I'll try contacting John Carlson.
>
>Thanks,
>Kenny Cassady
>Oakland, CA
>1961 300G
>
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